The Beginner’s Winstrol CycleThere are currently 1 users browsing this thread. But if you do cycle on and off the drugs have firsr more significant effect corrrct? Results 1 to 34 of Looking for First Cycle - Winstrol? Join Date Sep Posts Im looking to do first cycle of oral win. I know injectables are eq profile test for the liver, but I is winstrol good for first cycle oral and I am not looking to inject.
The Beginner’s Winstrol Cycle for Men [Includes Cycle Chart] ~ Anabolicco
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Join Date Sep Posts Im looking to do first cycle of oral win. I know injectables are safer for the liver, but I prefer oral and I am not looking to inject. I know I need the livercare, milk thistle, and I take stuff for joints now as well before hand. I am an experienced lifter, and Im strong IMO for someone who has not taken anything before.
My bench max is , cant seem to get past that, I can do for 9 for a max set. My deadlift is lbs at BW triple BW. MY box squat is I know how to lift and eat right. Im just trying to get faster and more explosive, including cut get a faster 40 time, Im at a 4. MY body fat is Any advice would be great. At your age, you already have tons of testosterone flowing through your body. You need to take advantage of that. Using AAS now will shut your natural production down and may cause long term damage to your endocrine system, possibly resulting with Erectile Dysfunction, the need for going on TRT for life, and a host of other concerns.
It's in your best interest to wait until youre Use that time to fix your diet and training routine. If you insist, you can try the alternatives provided here: Best of luck to you. Join Date Jul Posts 3, I ran a Winstrol only cycle when I was around 20yrs old. Definitely got stronger, nothing tremendous but it was significant enough. This was at a low dose too, 25mg every other day for 7 or 8wks Anyway, it wasn't anything to write home about or anything like that but it did provide a boost.
Now everyone will say you should always include exogenous testosterone when using Winstrol, I tend to agree.
It will suppress your natural testosterone production, not completely but significantly. Will it be the end of the world if you don't? I seriously doubt it. A healthy adult male who has normal testosterone levels should be able to recover his levels after a Winstrol or Anavar only cycle It is also something I wouldn't make a habit of As for your age, 20 is a little young.
I don't subscribe to the 25yr old mantra some preach, there's nothing magical about that number and it's unrealistic for some people depending on their situation in life. However, based on what you said in your post I don't see you falling into that category. Wasn't the end of the world by any means but in retrospect I could have approached things differently. Orals are simply a bad choice at any age.
Milk Thistle won't provide the protection you think it will, you only get one liver, you can't live without it, and liver transplants aren't possible. The potential side effects at your age are considerable and include the following: Let's start with the men.
Acne, testicular atrophy, decreased sperm count, gynecomastia enlarged breasts in men , high blood pressure, increased LDL bad cholesterol, decreased HDL good cholesterol, fluid retention, abnormal liver function, and prostate enlargement, just to name a few.
Because an outside source of testosterone is being introduced to the body, the testes no longer get the signal to produce their share. The brain is also being told to slow down the sperm factory, and that the body is getting sperm from an outside source, usually the hypodermic needle. The brain then sends a signal back to the testicles to take a break.
This new function can cause temporary sterility, and the jury is still out on whether steroids are linked with permanent sterility or not. But why take the chance? Because the body responds to puberty by slowing and eventually stopping growth, the pubescent period of life is crucial to future development.
When the adolescent brain senses a certain level of hormones in the body, it will send messages to the bones to stop growing, closing the growth plates in the long bones. Depending on the age when steroids are taken, the effects can sometimes be permanent.
For example, abusing steroids in the teenage years of development has shown to affect the brain's ability to properly produce serotonin, the enzyme tied with our sense of well-being. This tampering with serotonin can lead to permanent increases in depression and aggression. In women, this hormonal tampering can also lead to significantly lower levels of progesterone and estrogen, potentially upsetting the delicate balance of female chemistry and inducing severe anxiety and depression.
Long term side effects: There are theories but it is not concrete. I'm not stating this to imply adolescent use is a good idea.
You have to keep in mind too, anabolic steroids are sometimes given to adolescents with growth deficiencies. There have been anabolic steroid trials that have accelerated growth in children. However, the damage to the endocrine system, this is the real concern when it comes to adolescents IMO.
Originally Posted by Metalject. Now everyone will say you should always include exogenous testosterone when using Winstrol , I tend to agree. It will suppress your natural testosterone production , not completely but significantly. I simply answered the question at hand. So many of the post on this board never answer any questions And telling someone outright that they will absolutely ruin their natural testosterone production for the rest of their life just because they're under 25, well this is just a lie or ignorance The steroid in question affects this answer as does the issue of individuality.
Does that mean I'm encouraging a 20yr old to use steroids? No it has nothing to do with encouraging or discouraging As for the stunted growth comments Further, as it is merely a theory and not a fact, there's really no reason for using that argument when it comes to adolescent use I guess my main thing is, I don't care for post's of any kind that do nothing to promote the evolution of understanding for the individual or that use half-truths to promote an opinion even if it's with the best intentions.
I cant see who you guys are quoting, apparently on my ignore list. But anyone offering advice to an 18 year old, as lunk said is a complete idiot. No wonder my ignore list is getting huge. The only thing you need to educate kids on, are the risks and show them how to eat and train. And Lunk, why have you not moved up the ranks yet? I can honestly say after years of posting on message boards and I'm talking all the way back when all that was available was sites you had to pay to post on, I have never seen another person who gets their panties in a wad so easily or so fast like this guy.
Nor have I ever seen anyone who parrots more than anyone I've ever come across, whose answer to everything is test only cycles and PCT, take butt loads of AI's and simply racks up countless post a day all by saying absolutely nothing at all.
Yes, I know he obviously can't see this post but after years and years of board posting this is the first guy I've ever come across who truly gets under my skin. Originally Posted by warmouth.
Join Date Aug Posts 1, Originally Posted by Lunk1. I feel like we or I have been here before. It's not that you info is bad. I think I have said before that I understand your point about giving the info that is asked for. When dealing with kids.. I have seen threads like this where EVERY post is telling some 19 yo that AAS at his age is bad idea and then one post that says mentions a proper cycle or answers the question directly is all it takes for the kid to completely disregard solid advise on the fact he should NOT use steroids at his age.
We are talking about kids who's decision making proccess is no more developed than their endo system. Again I am not nor do I believe I have ever said your advise isn't solid and very well layed out. I just think that you might better serve some of these kids by avoiding giving them steroid info at all or at the very lest telling them simply WHY it is not in their best interest.
I know I have posted this before as well and I think it has served as a great analogy: If an 18 yo kid came on here looking for suicide advise would you offer advise on how and where to place the gun and what the best ammo is just because you want him to nhave the facts and answer his questions directly.
I am positive you would not Originally Posted by Shsm. Not quite the same thing I understand your point, but this isn't comparing apples to apples. Anyway, I've said this before too, explaining something to someone is not the same as encouraging them to use something.
Explaining to someone how a car engine works isn't encoring them to jump in and drive if they're only 13yrs old.