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Our tests include Sports Hormone checks, testosterone, iron status, cholesterol and more. Essentials Only Full Version. I don't know anyone personally but I think plenty of people have used steroids for years on end and then stopped. I remember a medical report from a young guy who'd been on steroids for a long time and he recovered back to normal levels after HCG and triptorelin probably where all the fuss about tripto came from, even though he might just as well have recovered without it.
It's basically blasting HCG for a couple weeks, clomid for a month and nolva for two months or something along those lines, all starting at the same time. I'm sure you can easily find the full plan online. To be honest I've always found the whole idea that if you use steroids you'll need TRT and your body not being able to recover by itself a bit of a myth. I'm very skeptical when someone tells me they needed TRT after using steroids. I think they just didn't wait long enough to fully recover, or they just weren't happy with their normal T levels.
It's still low enough not to affect my health but quite a lot better for muscle gain and fat loss. Small balls are a small price to pay. I put a post on here a while ago recommending a PCT protocol which I have used with great success albeit after only an 8 or 9 month cycle. It was taken from the anabolics book and I believe this is the one Uriel is referring to.
It is a heavy course of HCG along with clomid and nolva. If you google pct you will find a myriad of pct protocols. Most are from someone trying to make a name for themselves. In my day around here, either 5, or 10,iu hcg was the recovery method. PCT is absolute crap, and I don't understand why it is still being recommended.
I think PCT is the answer if: Cruising a low dose of Test in between is a hell of a lot cheaper than a PCT and a lot more effective for keeping your gains, and as long as you go down to the normal range or very slightly above it shouldn't represent any problems to your health. Are there not health implications from running even a trt dose say mg a week via high red blood cell count etc??
Not bashing just curious to opinions. I've never ever seen any evidence that staying on for 3 years vs 3 months really makes a difference or that supressing your HPTA with anabolic steroids alters the natural levels you'll return to when they are discontinued.
Everyone says that on forums but it's pure hearsay. Your natural steroid levels are like a "factory setting" on your hypothalamus which is why there is no way of elevating them naturally long-term either as we know SERMS for example will do it but only for as long as you're taking them, then they return to normal.
And you can't really be suppressed beyond zero can you? A true TRT dose most people who put themselves on TRT are actually just cruising a low-but-still-supraphysiological dose will keep your testosterone within the normal range and so won't cause any effect on your health that a normal healthy testosterone production wouldn't.
For TRT it is mandatory that you get your blood tested to see where your testosterone levels are at, precisely to avoid going overboard and risking health issues.
I personally don't recommend TRT per se, it's a choice everyone should make for themselves and should look at as a long-term commitment. But it certainly seems to me like the most logical path if you want to keep using steroids on a regular basis. HCG is more affordable and does basically the same thing but beyond the obvious testosterone stimulation the long-term effects of HCG on men have not been studied, it may do things we simply don't know yet and one thing it may well do with continued use is desensitize the testicles causing primary hypogonadism, the kind that is very bad and unlike from steroid use permanent, which is kind of what we were trying to avoid in the first place.
Do you advise cycling then? You say TRT is not your preference but also that pct is a waste of time? Good informative post though and is good to see other peoples protocols. Its fact you can come off after a very long time on and recovery. Yes, you can run PCT and yes it may help, but when you have been shut down for a long time then the main thing you need is just that, time.
Alongside that you need a great diet, good training and good supplementation. Its going to be a rough few months at the start, and it will require will power. Its utter rubbish that you cant maintain a good physique while recovering, muscle really isn't lost that quickly even with very low test levels, and fat isn't gained quickly unless your diet is crap.
Good informative post though and is good to see other peoples protocols Maybe I was a little confusing.
What I meant was, for someone who's serious about using steroids, I think it makes more sense to just go on TRT off-cycle. People always think going back natural is better for them and lets their body "recover" but stuffing yourself full of SERMS isn't very healthy either. But it's a serious decision for one to make and I'm not one to push anyone into it, I'd rather just lay it out as I see it and let people choose for themselves.
If I find it I will post it up. It has been known for some pro's to take years to recover fully after retiring from the sport If anyone has any experiences of recovering from long term use I would like to hear them.
Some people me included have low levels of t so I'm interested in raising them for my good years so I'm normal which there nothing wrong with it just means you can have what others have. So while they're kinda useless when we're talking strictly about recovering from steroid use, they are very useful to do a smooth PCT with little to none of the associated negatives.
The only downside is price. But thanks for clarifying that. IMO serms are a bad choice, too many side effects. Mega dosing of 'pct' meds doesn't work either, look at their mode and then look at what your levels are likely to be- more is absolutely NOT better when it comes to PCT. Small doses of a third generation suicidal inhibitor are going to be the most effective with the least side effects. D-aspartic acid, ZMA, and yohimbe are very worthwhile suppliments, and diet needs to be spot on.
Personally would advise against the use of peptides, and moreso in recovery. Might seem counter productive when talking about muscle retention, but they are just another thing your body has to deal with, and can also affect energy and cause lethargy. That just makes recovery harder! Using anything negatively effects the ligaments, tendons and cartilage for the vast majority of people.
Your should get your lipids checked out, I'm all for the relative safety of AAS when used with moderation but being on that much for that long is just asking for a heart attack. In terms of suppression there's nothing that can happen that hasn't already happened, if your balls have been in limbo for 4 years they're as atrophied as they're gonna get.
But with that amount of gear health is a real concern IMHO. Create an account or sign in to comment. Anybody been on that long at recovered?
Or do I just go to trt now and avoid the hassle, stress and depression of being shut down and off cycle? Uriel Pro-Member Total Posts: Good informative post though and is good to see other peoples protocols 9. Deedree New Member Total Posts: Some people me included have low levels of t so I'm interested in raising them for my good years so I'm normal which there nothing wrong with it just means you can have what others have Bench Press kg for 1 Dumbell Seated Press -2 x 60kg for 6 Barbarian Olympian Member Total Posts: