Anabolic steroids, bodybuilding discussion forums. - SteroidologyUser Name Remember Me? Search Forums Advanced Search. On this other thread, Does turinabol increase collagen synthesis like VAR etc??? After I admitted that I've advised in favour of EQ, but equipoise collagen synthesis tried it yet, JM felt that it was equipoise collagen synthesis of me to do so. I agreed that I should wait until I've tried it before recomending it. Another bro on the other thread already posted that his joints feels good equipoise collagen synthesis EQ, but I'd like to see what all you people have to say about EQ as well.
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User Name Remember Me? Search Forums Advanced Search. On this other thread, Does turinabol increase collagen synthesis like VAR etc??? After I admitted that I've advised in favour of EQ, but haven't tried it yet, JM felt that it was irresponsible of me to do so.
I agreed that I should wait until I've tried it before recomending it. Another bro on the other thread already posted that his joints feels good on EQ, but I'd like to see what all you people have to say about EQ as well. Good, bad or ugly, please share your EQ experiences with us. Nobody has ever tried EQ? Originally Posted by Newman.
Bro I have taken EQ on and off for 15 years. I never found anything close to it causing joint pain or tendon problems. The only time i take it is when i am already very lean and i get crazy vascular.
Other then getting stronger and more vascular it does nothing else to me. If you haven't tried it, what was your rationale for recommending it? If it was broscience and crap from forums like you are looking for with this post, it is irresponsible as you are just parroting what other guys were parroting. If you have some medical studies to back it up, then whether you've tried it or not its valid and reasonable.
It's helped my joint pain considerably, is the past. You can get joint pain if taking GH at the same time. Sure people on forums can lie, but then so can researchers paid to find a certain result, can't they?
Don't know if it helps my joints or not, but I like Eq. Nobody will say deca isn't good for joints, and not a bad AA, but of course unless you run it with enough test it kills your sex drive. Totally unscientific but now that I think about it, text cyp with Eq seems to do about the same thing, but without the wimp weenie effect. So again, totally no scientific or any other basis but my experience for me it seems to be good stuff.
While researchers only get paid to find a certain result when there is money involved in selling the product When isn't there money involved?
Nobody even shells out any dough for a basic drug patent application unless their sales dept has already identified a juicy enough market demographic to justify the cost of testing.
Since the steroids are all in generic status worldwide, no company would bother bribing researchers for a specific result. I don't know about that. I'm betting that while the original patent was still valid, the compound wasn't considered too generic.
While still actionable, they would have likely tested it for every benefit they could market it for, then marketed it as aggressively as they could.
Plus thats also the point of only looking at research published in peer reviewed journals, and evaluating the details of the study to decide how likely it was a fluke. Yes, I'm familiar with the final phase of the Scientific Method.
Even just looking at dietary studies, its so easy to find reasons to not trust the study. Are you saying you've seen dietary studies that prove that EQ doesn't help collagen? Overall from studies i've seen, basically anything from testosterone thru any of the other steroids enhances collagen synthesis along with enhancing protein synthesis. Then why did you resent my having advised other BBers to use EQ without having tried it myself yet?
If you had already believed it was good for collagen, I don't understand how you would have found that to be bad advice? Anyway, whatever, who cares anyway After putting up my last post on this thread last night, I spent about 3 hours Googling for any proof of collagen enhancement. I stopped after I got a virus off one of the sites that shut off Internet Explorer. That doesn't mean it doesn't do the job, it only proves that I can't find solid proof. The real trick would be to work out which does it best I agree.
I think that honour likely goes to Deca. GH seems to have good brolore attached to it, but I haven't searched for Gh related clinical proof of collagen help. It's probably out there though By the way, I remember reading somewhere that exogenous test under mg per week was found to aid collagen, but paradoxically, doses higher than that start to retard collagen formation.
Wish I could find that reference again. Have you ever read that winny increases collagen synthesis, yet oddly reduces collagen molecule cross linking, resulting in weaker tendons? Yeah, i'ver seen that as well. It would be nice if some researcher real researcher, not a BBer would pull off a proper placebo controlled collagen study involving EQ. I wasnt trying to continue to rip on you, only continuing train of thought. Recommending at all that a person use something not legal is wishy washy at all.
Like with adequan, I talked about its safety, talked about why it was pulled from human use in europe, but didn't recommend that anyone actually use it I never asked what nation they lived in. Don't wanna know either, that way I'm not guilty of advocating anything questionable. I honestly think that the people who say that collagen synthesis occurs with EQ is just in their head. Like a placebo effect. EQ may indeed increase collagen synthesis but until there is a valid medical study for it, there is no way to say for certain that it does.
That's just my opinion though. Also, there is an article floating around where some guy is blowing smoke up people's asses by saying that primo, eq, deca, var and gh all increase collagen and he goes on further coming up with exact percentages, LOL. I will say this though, my lab rats joints have felt better on deca and gh. I was only joking. Most people probably haven't even heard of the northern dog sled races, let along care enough to bet on the outcome.
I'd like to see a study comparing various anabolics overall in terms of collagen, and have it be a long term study even if the anabolic phase is only short term Me too. I'd like it to very thorough though. Cloned rats would yield accurate AAS performance results. Tendon testing would take 4 main forms: Immediately after short cycles. After short cycles followed by equal length breaks. Immediately after long cycles. After long cycles followed by equal length breaks.
PCTs would be administered to yield more meaningful results. After all, who cycles without proper PCT? My favorite of the "evidence" studies is the burned rats getting anti-catabolic effects from clenbuterol translating into it being anti-catabolic in pct My God, that's horrifying. Good useful info though.
Originally Posted by jm There hasn't been a valid medical study out. Until then, all bets are off. My favorite of the "evidence" studies is the burned rats getting anti-catabolic effects from clenbuterol translating into it being anti-catabolic in pct.
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